(Cross-posted from Gloria Brame's.)
Why do men prefer skinny blond women with large breasts? Two psychology professors think they know:
Harvard anthropologist Frank Marlowe contends that larger, and hence heavier, breasts sag more conspicuously with age than do smaller breasts. Thus they make it easier for men to judge a woman's age (and her reproductive value) by sight—suggesting why men find women with large breasts more attractive.
Which strikes me as completely ridiculous, since it seems perfectly obvious to me that body type preferences depend more on cultural factors than instincts. Unfortunately, the idea that "it's all genetics" has a wide following.
Evolutionary psychology is the theory that natural selection has shaped how we think in the same way it shaped how we walk. While on its face this seems interesting and a potentially productive avenue of inquiry, in practice ev-psych has proved to be a conveniently "scientific" way to prove that existing social conditions are natural and unavoidable, and hence that attempts to change those conditions are useless or worse. For example, former Harvard president Lawrence Summers was making an ev-psych argument when he claimed that one likely explanation for the lack of female faculty in Harvard's mathematical sciences faculty was that evolution caused men to be more likely than women to have very high mathematical ability. The supposed reason for this difference was that over the course of human evolution, men were hunters, and throwing spears or slinging rocks at prey required the ability to calculate trajectories, so men who were better at math bagged more game and so had more and healthier children.
I shit you not. That's the "scientific" reason behind Summer's explanation for why there are more men than women teaching math at Harvard. Sex discrimination, Summers said, couldn't be the answer - despite copious research showing such discrimination in the sciences exists - because if there was discrimination, then a non-discriminatory university could hire all the brilliant female math professors cheap and so drive places like Harvard out of business. (Did I mention that in addition to being an adherent of ev-psych, Summers is an economist?)
Unsurprisingly, evolutionary psych is a goldmine for people who are seeking to justify the sexual status quo. The two professors with the theory about why men like big tits also say this:
While feminists and social scientists tend to explain sexual harassment in terms of "patriarchy" and other ideologies, [psychologist Kingsley R.] Browne locates the ultimate cause ... in sex differences in mating strategies. ... Abuse, intimidation, and degradation are all part of men's repertoire of tactics employed in competitive situations. In other words, men are not treating women differently from men—the definition of discrimination, under which sexual harassment legally falls—but the opposite: Men harass women precisely because they are not discriminating between men and women.
Thus, their implied conclusion goes, it's unfair for the legal system to protect women from sex discrimination. How convenient.
One more example of how rigorous a science ev-psych is: One of the field's leading proponents is Dr. Steven Pinker, a prolific author who is well known for such books as The Language Instinct and How the Mind Works. In How the Mind Works, Pinker says this:
Women do not seek the sight of a naked male stranger or enactments of anonymous sex, and there is virtually no female market for pornography. ... Women can sometimes be aroused when they have agreed to watch portrayals of intercourse, but they do not seek them out. ... The closest mass-market equivalents to pornography for women are the romance novel and the bodice-ripper, in which the sex in described in the context of emotions and relationships rather than as a succession of bumping bodies.
The ridiculousness of these assertions should be self-evident. Whether women look at porn (and even more importantly, whether they reveal that they do to a researcher) is heavily dependent on societal attitudes towards women who like sex. Pinker claims that women don't look at porn, and that the reason is that evolutionarily, women have to be very choosy about who they mate with while men do not. (Sort of undercuts the "men like big tits because they have to be careful they don't mate with an old woman" argument, doesn't it?) Thus, Pinker concludes, women can't become aroused by visual stimulus or it will decrease their ability to not choose an inferior partner. This "just-so story", where the theory is molded to fit the most palatable explanation of the facts, gets blown out of the water when we get new data. In Pinker's case, writing in 1997, we have 10 more years' worth of examples of women seeking out actual male strangers and anonymous sex, in addition to representations of them, on the web. Either human genetics underwent a radical transformation in the past 10 years, or ev-psych is a bogus theory with no predictive power at all.
Oh, and did I mention, Steven Pinker teaches at Harvard and was one of the staunchest supporters of Lawrence Summers?
actually, I prefer perky nipples over big tits.
Posted by: theoldguy | July 18, 2007 at 02:43 PM
so, the fact that several people have used arguments based in part of theories arising from evolutionary psychology does not mean the idea of evolutionary psychology is bunk. it's very nearly self-evident to anyone who takes a moment to think about it that, of course, many aspects of our behavior, along with the behavior of any other animal, have been shaped by evolutionary forces. You're free, of course, to not like the idea that behaviors are shaped by evolution. that won't change the fact of the matter. Saying that DOES NOT, however, mean that it's all in the genes. it means only exactly what it says, and anything there is to know about how behaviors are shaped and to what degree must be concluded based on study and experimentation and not just so stories.
Posted by: mevolutoin | July 19, 2007 at 11:10 AM
so, the fact that several people have used arguments based in part of theories arising from evolutionary psychology does not mean the idea of evolutionary psychology is bunk. it's very nearly self-evident to anyone who takes a moment to think about it that, of course, many aspects of our behavior, along with the behavior of any other animal, have been shaped by evolutionary forces. You're free, of course, to not like the idea that behaviors are shaped by evolution. that won't change the fact of the matter. Saying that DOES NOT, however, mean that it's all in the genes. it means only exactly what it says, and anything there is to know about how behaviors are shaped and to what degree must be concluded based on study and experimentation and not just so stories.
Posted by: mevolutoin | July 19, 2007 at 11:10 AM
Anyone who is going to rely on ev psych can't discount socialization and remain internally consistent. They have to recognize that, from an evolutionary standpoint, humans are social creatures. Survival depended on it. Those who fit in better with the social scheme produced more offspring, etc.
The available evidence also suggests that it is the socialization aspect that prevails, e.g. a study found that women did worse at spatial tests when first asked questions that directed their attention to their gender. Also, spatial ability does not translate into overall mathematical ability. One can be good at math and suck at spatial relationships.
Finally, ev psych is so untestable and theoretic as to be pretty much useless. Not baseless, necessarily, but useless. E.g., acc to the guys you quoted, men like blonds because younger people are blond but like large breasts because sagging is a "tell" of aging. But blond hair hides aging because gray hair is less noticeable in blonds, so by that theory, brunettes should be preferred because they are more obvious with the signs of aging. Almost any fact can be interpreted in contradicting ways (see above about importance of socialization in evolution).
Posted by: Aquagirl | July 19, 2007 at 06:16 PM
Also, by that theory, all the Olympic discus and javelin throwers should be math whizzes.
Posted by: Aquagirl | July 19, 2007 at 06:18 PM
Aquagirl-
Interesting point about blonds. The two psychologists said this:
Blond hair is unique in that it changes dramatically with age. Typically, young girls with light blond hair become women with brown hair. Thus, men who prefer to mate with blond women are unconsciously attempting to mate with younger (and hence, on average, healthier and more fecund) women. It is no coincidence that blond hair evolved in Scandinavia and northern Europe, probably as an alternative means for women to advertise their youth, as their bodies were concealed under heavy clothing.
Which proves, I guess, that ev-psych proves whatever theory you want.
mevolution-
it's very nearly self-evident to anyone who takes a moment to think about it that, of course, many aspects of our behavior, along with the behavior of any other animal, have been shaped by evolutionary forces. You're free, of course, to not like the idea that behaviors are shaped by evolution. that won't change the fact of the matter.
What bothers me is when science is done with no rigor whatsoever. This "retell social prejudices in a scientific-sounding manner" thing pisses me off. Where's the hard base of data that we can eventually look to and confirm or disprove the theory?
Posted by: Mithras | July 19, 2007 at 06:50 PM
quote: Sex discrimination, Summers said, couldn't be the answer - despite copious research showing such discrimination in the sciences exists - because if there was discrimination, then a non-discriminatory university could hire all the brilliant female math professors cheap and so drive places like Harvard out of business.
But...but....
A truly non-discriminatory university by definition wouldn't hire all the women "cheap," because that would be paying them less based on gender, which is...(drumroll please)...discriminatory.
Sounds like he should have taken a couple more English elective courses along the way.
Posted by: Metta | March 02, 2008 at 07:21 PM