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March 19, 2007

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I don't really get how a case about public speech off school property unrelated to school in any way even addresses the issue of in-school speech, which has always been treated like a different subject anyway. I believe the ACLU has defended the rights of religious students to meet, pray, whatever, on school property. Personally, as far as student-initiated (clubs, meetings, not mandatory assemblies) stuff goes, let everybody do what they want. It avoids the issue of the environmental club having to show a "balanced" view on global warming if they want to show Gore's film.

And if these folks think this has anything to do with what happens at law schools, they have been taking bong hits for Jesus.

When teachers and students pray together and ridicule nonparticipants, I am on the other side. I represented the parents in Texas who successfully objected to opening high school football games with prayer. But kids who want a prayer club after school, which no one is forced to attend, or kids who want to distribute religious leaflets, have the same free speech rights as everybody else. The government's argument in the "bong hits" case that schools can define their own mission and then suppress all student speech inconsistent with that mission threatens the free speech of all students, whatever they believe. Your post comes dangerously close to saying let them suppress all speech rather than protect the speech that annoys me.

"However, if he wins this case, there is a good chance Christianist teachers and students will use it as an excuse to further turn schools into religious discrimination engines."

I don't see how they could do so.

I think the Christianists do have one righteous point, in that a win by Principal Morse would set a precedent allowing school officials to suppress religious expression *outside* the school. As much as I'm an anti-religious atheist, I'm also a committed political secularist, and this case goes directly to secularism.

Douglas-
First of all, thank you and congratulations on winning the Sante Fe case!

Your post comes dangerously close to saying let them suppress all speech rather than protect the speech that annoys me.

Nah, I am just saying I do not look forward to the task of pushing back the inevitable overapplication of the rule that will result from this case. In no way do I think Mr. Frederick should lose. Nor do I think any of the student-initiated stuff you cite is troublesome, except when and if it becomes a pretext for favoritism (such as the downstate Delaware case in which Bible Club members went to the head of the lunch line).

Bum-
I think the Christianists do have one righteous point, in that a win by Principal Morse would set a precedent allowing school officials to suppress religious expression *outside* the school.

This is a purely theoretical concern as applied to majority religions. As for minority religions, they're going to get the Wiccans via other means of attack rather than punishing their speech directly.

Maybe the kid should claim he left off part of the sign. It should have said, "Bong Hits 4, Jesus 9."

Go to http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula .

The following song was written and recorded by conservative psychologist Dr. Bruce L. Thiessen, aka, Dr BLT, who finds himself sandwiched between his anti-drug position and his support for free speech as it pertains to this issue that goes before the U.S. Supreme Court. He is against drugs, for Jesus and for free speech. The tension is of the conclusion of values and the corresponding conflict it brings is something he tried to portray in the song:

Blot Hits for Jeus (The Song)
Dr BLT
words and music by Dr BLT (c) 2007
http://www.drblt.net/music/bongHITS4.mp3

Ever since Columbine school administrators have continuously abused their power and authority to censure students and stomp their inherent constitutional rights into the ground in order to conform student bodies into a uniform non thinking herd animal. Our schools will no longer tolerate any student individuality, i.e., spontaneity,creative thinking, or imagination. They wish to neuter our nations students into a non thinking herd animal. Look at the most reent, prohibiting or censuring a high school play about the Iraq war. The students wanted to take a controversial subject and create an atmoshphere for healthy intellectual debate and it has been censured. Our education system is all about control and abuse of power and it is aimed at destroying any student that dares challenges this authority and it will destroy any student that shows any signs of true individuality that is intelligent, creative, or imaginative. Our schools are now producing a generation of non thinking drones! Perhaps high school students everywhere should embrace the 60's generation spirit and learn the power of orgnized non violent civil disobedience when confronting injustice anywhere or when schools violate their civil rights with impunity. martin Luther King once wrote something to the effect that an injustice to anyone has the potential of bcoming an injustice to everyone and it should not be tolerated. High school students across the USA should unite and support each other in organized non violent civil disobedience to stand up for their inherent civil liberties or risk losing them completely.

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