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August 01, 2005

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Subscribe to feeds you detest? Strange dude.
Posted by: Tacitus

Spoken truly as the type of man who loves living inside the radical right echo chamber.

And you forgot to mention Ms. Ma-ding-a-ling having to alter her blog due to legal pressures for misrepresenting stories.

How many blogs on the radical right have lied and harassed their way in to legal trouble?

Tacitus-
Subscribe to feeds you detest?

And if I didn't read conservative blogs, the charge would be insularity and living in an echo chamber. Catch-22.

Anyway, detesting people is a conservative thing. Liberals tend to believe people who have such a cramped, mean view of the world are just misguided, either due to gullibility or being emotionally damaged.

Disputo-
Must you also denigrate her for being a woman?

Scroll up. I denigrated her for being an affirmative-action hire in the anti-affirmative action party, not for being a woman.

Does anyone know for sure if Salon.com has discontinued Right Hook? This was a great weekly recap of what topics were popular on the most poular right wing blogs. I have not seen an update in some time. Is it under a new name or is it posted at another site?

It's a pity Den Beste wasn't still around to make the list.

And in case anyone is wondering how Tacitus' comments were relevant, of course they weren't except so far as to demostrate that he has the powah! to "out" Mithras... or has at least some kind of power in this interaction. Poor thing.

Anyway, you're welcome at either community anytime. RS does require that you not make a fool of yourself, but plenty of lefties do it, so take heart.
Posted by: Tacitus

You're also free to join the discussions at China Daily, as long as you don't make an ass of yourself. But just as with radical right wing blogs, if you cross the line, which is unpublished and unilaterally decided, your post will be censored.

he has the powah! to "out" Mithras

Hmmm, I don't think so. I think he was trying to say that I was resentful because I had been trolling at RedState and gotten banned. Plus saying that the Tacitus site is alive and well (alive, maybe, but not so well) and that I just loved it there.

Anyway, I don't think it's technically possible to out me just from an IP. My IP is dynamic, and in all cases I never post under my real name.

Methinks Tacitus doth protest way the hell too much.

Great post.

Reynolds has singlehandedly invented a new political category: The Fasco-liberterian.

Yeah, I know.

Goes together like "Compassionate conservative."

Why are modern day liberals so vicious?

I used to be a liberal. I got so sick of the straightjacket-like views on the left. I feel so much freer being a non-liberal. You can discuss broad ranges of opinions with other non-liberals and still be respected.

It is like the left has become an alienated, angry, extremely nasty group of people in danger of becoming completely irrelevant. It seems their greatest pleasure in life is viscously attacking those that they disagree with. This, of course, is a form of political bigotry.

The left used to pride themselves on being open minded and tolerant. Today, the complete opposite is true. If your views deviate, you are denounced. There can be no "we agree to disagree". You just become a scumbag in their view. How oppressive. I am so glad that I escaped.

Free Republic: den of cowardice and idiocy.

Why are modern day conservatives so vicious?

I used to be a conservative. I got so sick of the straightjacket-like views on the right. I feel so much freer being a non-conservative. You can discuss broad ranges of opinions with other non-conservatives and still be respected.

It is like the right has become an alienated, angry, extremely nasty group of people in danger of becoming completely irrelevant. It seems their greatest pleasure in life is viscously attacking those that they disagree with. This, of course, is a form of political bigotry.

The right has never been very open minded or tolerant. Today, this is still just as true. If your views deviate, you are denounced. There can be no "we agree to disagree". You just become a scumbag in their view. How oppressive. I am so glad that I escaped.

Interesting rhetorical study of the practice of vilification and derision on the left.

Hunter S. Thompson was better.

Hunter S. Thompson was better.

If you want to call yourself Troll KING, you have to do better than that. Troll Villain, maybe.

The left used to pride themselves on being open minded and tolerant. Today, the complete opposite is true.

Michael Totten, is that you?

Nice list, Mithras.

typical always come out with the Uncle Tom statements for everyone that doesn't agree with you that isn't white, and the conservative=nazi. even though the nazi's were socialists. strange how they forget little things like that.

Strange how they forget little things like absolute fabrications.

even though the nazi's were socialists.

Oh, that reminds me. Conservatives also have a cartoonish, myth-laden view of history. Thanks for reminding me, Tim.

Whoa.. hold the phones.. I've never felt there was anything right-wing about Buzzmachine. Check out the latest thread where he trashes Santorum for being a wackjob!

http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/

I've never felt there was anything right-wing about Buzzmachine.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Yeah, Jarvis occasionally likes to criticize social conservatives. Nevertheless, he's a total warlover and has nothing good to say about any liberals or Democrats left of Lieberman. And while he claims to be a moderate, his whole schtick is about bashing the Democrats. For example, during the election he "supported" Kerry by talking about everything he was doing wrong.

bellatrys,

I was wrong to use the word entirely...I should have said hardly or rarely.

That said...using the term "straw man" is only a tactic that straw men use...instead of addressing a question.

A stupid right wing troll might claim that the silence of most of the left about Darfur is because of racism or anti-christian behaviour. But, of course, both are ridiculous "straw man" arguments.

Is it because since the right have spoken out about it more...many Dems just don't want to agree with them on anything? (nope...I think the cross partisan reaction to the threatened poli-blog regulations kind of disproves that)

Is it because many Dems are just opposed (or scared) to champion a cause that might require military action? (well there's certainly a lot of support for Wesley Clark so maybe not)

But...no...let's not discuss any of this because it's easier just to ignore anyone on the left who dares to criticize from within...or mock them....or call them freepers or worse.

But...gee...I love Corrente...because they're not afraid to tackle the topics that others consider "tin-foilish"...but does that mean that anytime that Corrente mentions election reform or someone posts a diary at Daily Kos that the A listers are committed to election reform and examining voting irregularities or, possibly, fraud?


If you want to call yourself Troll KING, you have to do better than that. Troll Villain, maybe.

That boy needs a booster seat to make it as far as Troll Jester.

Right now, he's just a garden variety, motley-less fool.

But...no...let's not discuss any of this because it's easier just to ignore anyone on the left who dares to criticize from within...

God, Ron, don't be so obtuse. I am not going to speak for bellatrys. But I think Democrats would of course support real action to prevent genocide. This is the party that invaded Kosovo for the same reason (over Republican objections, I might add). But if you haven't noticed, what we want in foreign policy hasn't influenced this administration's behavior one bit. What do you suggest we do? Start a petition? Take to the streets?

On the other hand, the talk about Darfur among the right-wing bloggers is obviously opportunistic and insincere. It's of a piece with Bush's stated policy of spreading democracy - a fig leaf, an after-the-fact rationalization for the pursuit of policy goals with very different, ignoble motives. In foreign policy, Republicans simply don't do anything just because it's the right thing to do - they do them because they have an angle. If 9/11 and the Iraq war hadn't happened, it would never have occurred to them to bring it up. But given the obvious flimsiness of their GWOT rhetoric, they need a way to show that they really mean it, without, you know, actually spending any political capital or sending troops or anything like that.

So, yes, we could call them on their cynicism and join up with the right-wing bloggers to call for action on Darfur. What would that accomplish? They'd get cover, we'd get screwed, and Bush would do nothing. Pardon me for not getting all excited at the prospect.

Childish squabbling and insult-flinging isn't funny when done by the right to the left, and it isn't funny here. Well, maybe it is a little, but blah blah dragging the discourse to lower levels blah blah blah. That's my opinion, anyway.

On Darfur, should we not places the lives of thousands over petty politics? Are we not supposed to speak out on Darfur just because we might agree with Republicans?

What, no Lileks to fill out the feckless snark, and to complete the Minnesota trifecta?

Mithras,

I'm dead certain that 90 percent of the right wing bloggers don't give a shit about Darfur other than to use it for the reasons you listed...but I still don't agree with your reasons for why our side doesn't talk about it.

I guess I just see blogs differently than most of us. I believe in blog journalism with a little bit of activism...while most of the A listers only care about helping the Democrat Party.

Darfur is an oil country....and even though we're not doing shit for the genocide going on there...there's no doubt that the Bush Administration is already involved there. I believe (and from much of what I've read and researched) they're probably playing both sides of the conflict in order to make things worse.

But it's something that should be talked about...and our side is too quiet. But any time someone like me suggests that issues like that or election reform get addressed I get handed the old "it's their blogs and they can blog about what they want to blog about."

And...hey...that would make sense if most of the A listers were producing journalism...when they're not...they're activists. And silly old me believes that something might happen on Darfur if the Dems made it a priority.

I don't want unilateral action....I want multilateral action..and if the left and the party decided to talk about Darfur...attack Bush for not doing much....and demand the media to cover it more and the UN to take action....something might happen.

But...I'm sorry...in my opinion...at least the right are talking about Darfur. We're not.

So what if I'm shallow? At least I'm on TV!

Jarvis-
That was funny! But you're still an asshole.

I've been called a villain, a jester and a fool. Why? Maybe I wasn't trying to be nasty, but simply comment in a general way.

Surely you don't think you're better at vilification and derision than HST? Or for that matter, Flann O'Brien?

Maybe I wasn't trying to be nasty, but simply comment in a general way.

You picked the name Troll King, and you feel people are unfair to you?

Surely you don't think you're better at vilification and derision than HST?

Absolutely not. Never said I was.

....detesting people is a conservative thing....

Playing the kettle today is Mithras!

he has the powah! to "out" Mithras

From a dynamic IP? From a Verizon dynamic IP? Heh. Here's your free clue.

He's from Philly!

You got MAD SKILZ.

I like your take on Dean's World.

This is exactly what I was talking about to a friend recently - Far Right Wing Nut crazies who were raised in blue color Democratic homes who watched all the rich Republican kids (like the Ann Coulters, the Bushs, the typical American Country Club Set) on the otherside of the tracks and wanted to be "them" when they grew up.

It's becming a prevalent, an obvious, but oh so typical sickness.

They are a dime a dozen, they are complete nothings deserving to be coined tried cliches.

Can't you vizualize both Michelle Malkin and LaShawn Barber as little girls - craining their necks to peer through the Country Club fence to watch the "Ann Coulters" of their childhood swimming in the Club pool?

So Mithras, what makes you so worthwhile?

So Mithras, what makes you so worthwhile?

Excellent cunnilingus.

Yeah right. We believe you.

Yeah right. We believe you.

Good. Your opinion matters so much to me.

Glad to hear it.

Lies, lies, and more lies. I won't be back.

Lies, lies, and more lies. I won't be back.

I don't even remember dating you.

At least give them ratings or subclassifications or something. That's a list, not a taxonomy. Sheesh.

That's a list, not a taxonomy. Sheesh.

Pedant.

I know it's not a taxonomy, I just like saying the word.

so much of the bigotry you purport to condemn... so little actual thought or argument

A clever and snarky post. The bigotry is from the commentators. I especially enjoyed the fortune cookie comment, because racist remarks are what makes our side look so great...

Hey faggot, who was the politician who "outed" Mary Cheney? It was either that traitor kerry or shyster edwards. I didnt even know or care he had kids. The lesbian part made me like Cheney even more. I'd like to see him run in 08 but I know that hag Helen Thomas won't keep her promise.

Ew. You're a nasty one.

Frank, you're a nasty one too.

Don't tell anyone but a few years ago I hooked up with this chick at a party(I'm married btw)I'd had a few drinks,and took her for a ride in my Oldsmobile. Somehow we ran off the road into this ditch, I tried to dive and save her, but failed,so I went home and didn't call the cops cause I knew theyd do an alcohol test. Then it turned out she drowned, but I used my familys influence so that no autopsy was done, and I got off with a license suspension.

I heard about that. People in your party have worshipped you and tried to emulate you ever since.

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