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March 03, 2005

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I wonder how they'll view candidate bashing on blogs.

IOKIYAR. Otherwise, get fined.

That's horrible.

OT: paperwight, what does IOKIYAR mean?

It's Okay If You're A Republican - generally used to indicate the situation where behavior that is permitted by Republicans will be condemned in Democrats.

Do you really think you will get republicans to join the ACLU?

Fat chance. Even moderates dispise that organization.

Huh. And here I thought ACLU membership had skyrocketed since 9/11. Silly me.

Thanks, Mithras.

The ACLU once sued a tattoo artist who refused to tattoo a young man with AIDS (he also had some skin condition, IIRC, so I don't know why the guy wanted a tattoo in the first place). That's left a black mark on their name in my mind for quite some time.

I like the Institute for Justice, but they mainly fight eminent domain abuse and the like. They have nowhere near the reach of the ACLU.

The ACLU once sued a tattoo artist who refused to tattoo a young man with AIDS

They did? Are you sure of your memory of the incident? I don't know of any cases of the ACLU suing a non-governmental actor. It's just not in the mission statement. I am not saying it can't happen, but it seems unlikely.

The ACLU also defends NAMBLA... Reason enough for me to never support them.

Mithras, that particular case would've been about ten or fifteen years ago, I think. I searched for it, but couldn't come up with any hits, so maybe my memory is faulty. Take that for what it's worth.

The ACLU also defends NAMBLA.

Well, the ACLU of Mass has defended the free speech rights of NAMBLA. You have a problem with free speech, Lokester?

billy-jay-
The ACLU usually only sues governments and government officials. Do you remember where this happened? If I can narrow it down to a particular city or state, I might be able to dig up the info.

Mithras, I read it in a tattoo magazine a long time ago. I couldn't remember any more than what I posted, so it's possible that I confused it with another organization.

Billy-jay-
I found a copy of a story from 1997 that mentions that the ACLU sued a Columbus, OH tatoo artist for refusing to tattoo an HIV-positive person. I will follow up with the Ohio ACLU and see if they have any info. I can't find any other place that mentions the story; it sounds like a hoax to me.

Here are the only other links I can find involving ACLU & tattooing:
ACLU fights for right to get/give tattoos in Cleveland, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts.

Thanks, Mithras. That sounds like it refers to the story I read.

Mithras,

I have a problem with the ACLU defending the free speech rigths of a group that supports sick and criminal acts that hurt children. NABLA's mission is the abolition of age-of-consent laws that classify sex with children as rape.

The case you refered to the ACLU represented NAMBLA in a lawsuit brought by the family of a slain 10-year-old.

NABLA's mission is the abolition of age-of-consent laws that classify sex with children as rape.

The case you refered to the ACLU represented NAMBLA in a lawsuit brought by the family of a slain 10-year-old.

Loke, I am familiar with the case. Do I like NAMBLA? No. Do I like you? No. Would I litigate on behalf of your free speech rights to advocate for a change in the laws? Yes. NAMBLA? Yes.

NAMBLA didn't kill the kid. Two guys, one of whom was a NAMBLA member, killed the kid. They're in jail. A clever lawyer sued NAMBLA on behalf of a grieving family. But NAMBLA didn't do it. You can't have a rule that protects free speech unless it's yucky. Yucky is surely only in the eye of the beholder.

You can have a rule that limits free speech from promoting felonies...

I support free speech in almost every other form, but the ACLU crossed the line when it supported a group that’s purpose is to help pedophilia become legal. Protecting children from molestation is more important than protecting the free speech of molesters. Criminals have limited rights and aiding and abetting a pedophile is a crime in my book.

The difference between me and you…Do I like NAMBLA? No. Do I like you? No. Would I litigate on behalf of your free speech rights to advocate for a change in the laws? Yes. NAMBLA? No.

You can have a rule that limits free speech from promoting felonies...

So, say, you would punish speech that promoted repealing criminal laws making it a felony to possess quantities of drugs for personal consumption?

Criminals have limited rights and aiding and abetting a pedophile is a crime in my book.

"Aiding and abetting" has a specific legal definition. Arguing that something should not be illegal is not it.


"So, say, you would punish speech that promoted repealing criminal laws making it a felony to possess quantities of drugs for personal consumption?"

No. But if they were actively aiding people acquire quantities of drugs, then Yes. NAMBLA has published books helping pedophiles learn how to approach young boys. They have also helped organized networks of pedophiles to collaborate. This qualifies as aiding and abetting.

--Can I tell you, it feels dam good to be on this side of the argument.

NAMBLA has published books helping pedophiles learn how to approach young boys.

So I hear. And people have published books on how to grow marijuana. And other people have published books on how to build pipebombs. And all of them are constitutionally protected under the free speech clause of the First Amendment.

Can I tell you, it feels dam good to be on this side of the argument.

Of course. Conservatives just feel things and act on the feelings. Liberals think.

I don't remember saying I was a conservative. Does it make me conservative just because I disagree with you?

It was a joke, dude. But you sure aren't a liberal.

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