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September 25, 2010

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Susie Madrak doesn't speak for anyone. Her entire M.O. is begging for money...always has been, always will be. I like to read her "My So-Called Life" section every once in a while just to see what a pathetic joke it is. Here's some advice for her: Get a real job. Begging isn't a job.

I agree with the thought that Hilary would probably govern in the same fashion hell maybe even more so. That's one reason I wanted Obama to win the primaries as I was sick of the Clinton's triangulation.

"I think that many liberals detest "hippie punching" because they think it doesn't work... That's fair. But I've long been skeptical that liberal blogs have any real significance."

that's assuming that the "hippies" in question are encompassed by liberal blogs and their readers. that's not my understanding. the "hippies" in question are a much broader group. "hippie punching" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with blogs, it's just when democratic politicians attack their left-wing base. which is completely counter-productive because it alienates the most dedicated potential supporters there are out there.

it's a losing strategy, one the republicans don't follow at all. they are constantly catering to their right wing, which has been quite effective both in motivating people to support them and turn out and in moving the mid-point of debates to the right. the "conservative" positions of just a few years ago (e.g. cap-and-trade) have become the far left positions of today, and that's both because the GOP reflexively caters to it's reactionary base and because the democrats triangulate, they stake out a "centrist" (i.e. republican or republican-lite) position and then attack their liberal base when they dare to criticize the move. the democrats new centrist position is assumed to be "left" and, thanks in part to the punching, anything to the left of that is effectively cut out of the debate entirely.

Frank- I don't read her blog, so I don't know what the content is like. Other people seem to like her stuff.

Will- I thought Obama would govern as a centrist, since that's how he campaigned. Between Hillary and Barack, there was not much to choose. But he could win and I don't think she would have.

noz-
I don't know. Susie's conversation with Axelrod was about blogs, and the administration has pushed back against blog criticism in the past, which gave rise to the term "hippie punching". You're right that the base is considerably larger than the "netroots". My point is that people who read liberal blogs regularly ARE going to vote this fall, so I don't think it makes much difference what bloggers say.

You may be right that other elements of the base are disaffected. But the poll I cited says that it's the people who are happy with Obama's performance who are more likely to stay home. That's not surprising, since such a large percentage of his voters were young or first-time voters.

Even if you are right, I don't know if the GOP strategy of catering to their base would directly translate to the Dems. I think the conservative movement has created the cultural conditions which allows the GOP to be be ideologically pure. Those conditions have also led the Dems to triangulate, starting with Clinton and now Obama. We just don't have the equivalent of the money and structure, not to mention the marketing skill, to sell liberal ideas to the public. Until we do, politicians are never going to feel comfortable running base-focused campaigns.

I don't think "nursed a grievance" is entirely fair. Susie has given obama credit where it's due, and has reliably said that democrats need to support him, even when they're disappointed. Reading susie's blog is not like reading.. oh hell, what's the name of that place that went nuts. mydd? talk left? anyway, that's where I've seen grievances nursed.

frankly, I think I'm a LOT harsher on Obama than susie is, and i actually DID support him in the primaries.

Finally, my reading of "hippie punching" is the same as noz's. "the "hippies" in question are a much broader group. "hippie punching" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with blogs, it's just when democratic politicians attack their left-wing base."

my parents, who are not bloggers and who supported Obama, are livid right now about the administration and the democrats. They think all it's been is hippie-punching, and they are not amused. mom's probably staying home, while dad says the most he's doing is voting. typically, they give money, knock on doors, and hold fundraisers. not this year.

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