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July 01, 2008

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I feel like the blogosphere's fact-checker today.
In FACT, Obama said:

"Now, make no mistake, as someone who used to teach constitutional law, I believe deeply in the separation of church and state, but I don't believe this partnership will endanger that idea - so long as we follow a few basic principles. First, if you get a federal grant, you can't use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can't discriminate against them - or against the people you hire - on the basis of their religion. Second, federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples, and mosques can only be used on secular programs. And we'll also ensure that taxpayer dollars only go to those programs that actually work."

Please edit. Everyone has it wrong. atrios caught it first.

I agree Mithras. When people who DON'T work for a religious organization feel perfectly comfortable signing off a telephone call with "have a blessed day" there is no reason to expect that a church-based organization would even attempt to police themselves, and enforcement would be impossible.

I like the way you address specific points about Obama and state whether you like them or not. It's a refreshing change from a lot of the blogs I read, where it's either "We're saved!" or "He's a fascist!"

I find myself repeating to everybody who asks that, when November rolls around and I vote for him for Pres., I won't be voting for Saint -- or Hero -- or Fearless Leader on White Horse. I'll be voting for the guy who I think will do the most good and the least harm running the government. Period.

all the attacks barack gets for his middle name, you're surprised he'd object to the same thing done to "General Betrayus"?

Total fucking bullshit: Obama proposes using more tax money to subsidize social services delivered by churches, allowing them ... tacitly to proselytize the clients.

perhaps you've been more fortunate than me, but there was a time when i got myself into a tight spot and catholic charities was kind enough to provide for some groceries. i didn't get so much as a "bless you." nobody there tried to convert me.

the poor, sick & homeless cannot afford to abide by your ideological purity.

My ideology involves preserving the First Amendment, moron.

funding secular social services is not establishing religion.

you really think obama would support something unconstitutional?

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